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 Post subject: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:16 pm 
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I've done a tone of traveling and am currently on a rip through western europe and I can't avoid these Supreme Master places if I tried, lol! They are EVERYWHERE! I know so little about it, but its like LA Vegan Thai explosion, but this is world wide (and in outer space via satellite). A lot go by the name of loving hut, but there are SO MANY more with tons of different names all over the world. They all seem to serve some combo of Chinese/Vietnamese/Thai. I just had lunch at Go Veg Diner in Vienna Austria and watched their international TV show, which made about zero sense to me, but hey they are really promoting veganism and acts of kindness on a Supreme level! Can someone give me the non god non spiritual version of what the Supreme Master is all about and why people have a picture of a blonde asian lady on 100 veg restaurants around the world and watch her on TV 24x7 in every language on the planet? Don't get me wrong I think these restaurants are the greatest thing ever, they serve healthy vegan meals and the dozens of people I've met at them have been exceptionally kind, friendly and wonderful!


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 1:27 pm 
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a waitress at one of said places once told me i'd be saved in 2012 since i was vegan , she said those who live lives full of compassion will make it through the "big change" on dec 23rd 2012 or whatever.. anyways . these places have great food .. i heard once that all the tips go back to supreme master as donations , cant confirm that though .. anyways.. try one world in covina , on the 2nd wednesday of every month , they have a vegan buffet.. it's awesome!


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 12:25 am 
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Can someone explain to me exactly what this is? They were all over the place at the Veggie Pride Parade, giving out free things...I still don't really get it. It's like, a TV station/religion/vegandom thing? They have restaurants?

I don't get it, but the pendants they wore with the "Grand Master's" face on it freaked me out.


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:56 am 
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sounds like a cult!


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:50 am 
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It seems like a cult, since the staff always has crazy outfits and glazed-over expressions. It's sort of a kind of meditation/yoga practice, that was popularized by this woman known as the "Supreme Master." She didn't invent in, so she gets a lot of flak for that. She's also quite wealthy, so she gets a lot of flak for not living an ascetic lifestyle. There's usually a picture of her in all the restaurants - the one I went to had a lifesized painting of this asian woman with long, died blond hair, which I assume is her. She also designed clothing. Bad clothing. Just type "Supreme Master" into wikipedia. It's not quite as weird as I originally thought but... I don't know. I guess it just attracts weird people.

Anyway, my first (and only) Supreme Master restaurant was about a week and a half ago in San Jose! It's called "Vegetarian House" or something. We had a few good dishes. Sort of thai-inspired, but not like vegan thai in LA. My favorite was a big platter of basil, crushed peanuts, sauce, fried tofu, lettuce, and rice noodles, served with rice paper and a bowl of warm water, so you can make your own rolls! Reminded me a little of the "thai bites" at Susan Feniger's Street on Highland.


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 5:36 pm 
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Word. Long-time reader, first time poster here.
Just wanted to offer some insight, which I feel like I'm in a good position to do since my family has been following some of the teachings of Thanh Hai (the name we use, since we're Vietnamese; the Chinese call her Ching Hai) for nearly 20 years.

Firstly, I agree, it can seem like a cult. To be honest, there are some practitioners out there (just a few, not a lot) that are kind of obsessive and they freak me out a bit, which is why I'm not too involved with this "community" anymore even though I do still follow some of the teachings. The term "master" doesn't help. However, this is just a translation of the Vietnamese word "su phu" (Chinese "sifu"), which does indeed mean master but in a "teacherly" way, sort of like a "headmaster" in a school (another example: a martial arts student would refer to their instructor as su phu/sifu). It's sort of analogous to the term "guru" in the traditional sense, not the "New Age-y" sense. It in no way implies that practitioners of Thanh Hai's teachings should worship her, though some seem to, which, again, freaks me out a bit. It's too close to the kind of treatment the Pope gets imo.

I really think she should get some better PR people, as the restaurants, websites, publications, etc. have that "cheesy Asian" feel, which I also think does not help with the whole "cult-ish" image. :lol:

I do recommend the Wikipedia article (which I did *not* contribute to, just to be clear). In my opinion her teachings are just a slightly modified Sramanic-based belief system with certain meditation practices lifted from the Surat Shabd Yoga school. Though restaurants opened by practitioners of the "Quan Yin Method" are vegan or mostly vegan, the Quan Yin Method actually teaches a lacto-vegetarian diet (no eggs, yes dairy; I'm actually a lacto-veg. but usually eat vegan, please don't hurt me! :P ), which imo reflects its Sramanic roots (as this is the kind of diet taught in Jainism and the sects of Buddhism that espouse abstaining from meat, which is not a universal practice in Buddhism as it is in Jainism). As a previous poster points out, she did not invent any of the ideas she espouses. Still, she has gotten some grief from a few Buddhist sects, which I don't really understand because a) her teachings are pretty in line with Buddhist teachings, though ideas are lifted from several different sects, and b) Buddhism has historically been an extremely syncretic and highly "pliable" belief system with a huge degree of variation (look up the term "upaya" to see what I mean). I personally think of myself as Buddhist and in no way feel that it conflicts with anything Thanh Hai has written or spoken about.

Secondly, I'd like to point out that when my parents first started reading her books many years ago, she did not have blonde hair; she was previously a full-blown impoverished bhikkuni (female Buddhist monastic), shaved head, robes and all. Part of her teachings state that you don't have to be a monastic to achieve spiritual understanding/enlightenment/happiness, that it just requires one to faithfully practice mindfulness (enhanced by meditating on a regular basis) and right action (helping others as much as you can, causing no harm, etc.). She later started dressing as a layperson in order to practice what she preached, so to speak. Yes, she is quite wealthy, though it was not always like that. She was never one to actively proselytize; it started out with a rather small group of followers who took it upon themselves to publish some of her writings and lectures, and now it's ballooned into this giant humanitarian/veg.-promoting/media-producing empire. I question her rather flamboyant style now, though she gives huge sums of money away for various humanitarian/natural disaster relief purposes so I can't complain too much. Same with some of those more, er, ardent practitioners... sometimes they freak me out a little, but when something bad happens they always show up in droves, ready to help clothe, feed, and care for people who need it. I can kind of understand why some love her so much though; many of them were refugees living in terrible camps in places like the Philippines, and she lobbied hard to improve their lot or help them settle permanently there or in other nations.

So, yeah. That's my two cents, though I'm not a religious scholar, official representative of the Quan Yin Method (gotta stress this; I don't want any other practitioners that might be out there to think I'm trying to talk for everyone), or anything of the sort, so take it with a grain of salt. :D

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To Alex above: I have no idea what that waitress was talking about. 2012? The who's in the what now? Never heard or read anything about that. :?


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:07 pm 
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Coppelia - thanks so much for your informative comment and for your kind words regarding this site!

you are probably right, that she really just needs to get some better PR people. from the outside it probably looks weirder than it really is.

i just wanna say that LOVING HUT RULES. i can't wait to go back to that restaurant. i don't know how good all the other supreme master joints are, but loving hut is great!

thanks again.

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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:28 am 
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New York must be nowhere cuz they ain't here. But I did get weirded out seeing that the Houston restaurant I liked is on the list:
http://www.godsdirectcontact.org.tw/eng ... /index.php

I called the folks I know down there asking 'em about this stuff, they knew about the 'cult' but they warned me off the place BECAUSE THEIR 'MEATS' USE WHEY!!!!!!!

Anybody else ever hear this?

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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:08 am 
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Again, I cannot speak for all restaurants affiliated with the group and whatnot, and I can only talk from personal experience.

Veganism in my family and amongst *some* of my family's friends used to be something of a foreign concept. Keep in mind that the Quan Yin Method folks were almost all originally Vietnamese, Chinese, and Taiwanese, where eggs are considered meat but dairy is ok to consume as far as the veg. dietary rules go, and veganism is largely a "Western" thing (at least in the beginning it was). While I'm pretty sure that almost all of the restaurateurs are now very savvy regarding what is and is not vegan, I would still encourage folks to double-check if you're worried, especially if it's one of the more "mom-and-pop" kind of joints. I don't think my parents know what whey or casein is... English is not their first language, and dairy/dairy derivatives are pretty rare in Vietnamese food so they are unfamiliar with a lot of them. Anyhoo, I guess what I'm trying to get at is that if there are some places that claim the food is vegan but use some things that have ingredients like whey, it's probably a misunderstanding and not just plain flat-out disregard or carelessness. It's not an excuse, just an explanation. Let them know, gently but persistently, and you'll certainly be doing them a favor.


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Master... is everywhere....
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:15 am 
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Haha I'm so glad I noticed this thread. I had quite an experience with a "Supreme Master-er(?)"

Here's a link to the story...

http://jennshaggy.blogspot.com/2008/11/vegan-butternut-squash-apple-and-onion.html


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